In this episode, Sarah and Lesley speak to Dr Sarah Martin-Denham (University of Sunderland) about her research on domestic abuse. The conversation covers emotionality and safe practice in research and practice, stigma and labels, support and education. Sarah’s work explored services for male perpetrators of domestic abuse, as well as services for women who had been victims/survivors of domestic abuse and uncovers some important messages for social workers which are discussed in the podcast episode.